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Video Game History with Steven L Kent (Part Four)

February 25, 2022

First, Our Thanks

We would like to issue our thanks to both Steven L Kent and to Jordan Freeman of Zoom Platform. Steven was willing to sit with us and discuss his books, and the history of video games for several hours. And Jordan was kind enough to connect us to Steven, and to help arrange the interview. We are grateful to both Steven and Jordan for their time and patience.

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Show Notes

This is the final part

of four

of a conversation with author and video game historian Steven L Kent, and is a collaboration between ourselves and Zoom Platform. Whilst this is an audio episode, it was originally recorded as a pair of video interviews. What we’ve done is cut the two video interviews into four parts and will be releasing them as audio episodes. But if you’d rather watch the first two parts as a video

as edited by Jay and Squidge

you’ll find an embedded player here:

Don’t forget to check out the other parts of the conversation:

  • part one
  • part two
  • part three

And all four parts of our interview with Steven can be found here.

The Final Part

As a reminder, Steven describes his books as

steven-l-kent's Avatar Steven L Kent

My books are called "The Ultimate History of Video Games".

Volume 1 starts out with Abraham Lincoln and Bagatelle, and goes all the way to 2000 and sort of the collapse of the Dreamcast - or it’s about to collapse, you can tell that it’s faltering - PlayStation 2 has been announced and is just coming out, and Xbox has been announced.

Book two has some overlap, because there will be some people who read volume 2 without reading volume 1, so it’s got a bunch of overlap. But what’s interesting is that I thought I’d be able to go from 2000 to the present, but I only got to 2012. So volume three should come out around 2026.

As with part three of our discussion, we reached out to you all

aka, the community

for questions that you would like to as Steven. And we had some doosies of questions to go through. Starting with…

2) Which Was The Best Console?

this is question 2 because the first question was asked in the previous part

Our first question was from Unaffiliated JZ and it was:

unaffiliated-jz's Avatar Unaffiliated JZ

Which was the best console ever, and why was it the SNES?

And this started a wonderful conversation about the 16-bit generation, how Steven thought that it dragged on for a little too long, and which were his favourite consoles.

steven-l-kent's Avatar Steven L Kent

I think that the Super NES was a fabulous console, I really do. Head and shoulders above its competitors. And when I say "its competitors," - here I am sticking my foot in my mouth again - really, truthfully I group the 3DO and the Jaguar in with the Super NES that I do with the Saturn and the PlayStation and the N64.

And we all tended to agree with the time periods that Steven had chosen, as it had lead to huge innovation in video games, storytelling, gameplay, and technology. Jay also mentions one of his oft-told stories from Masters of Doom, Super Mario Bros. 3, and a Cease and Desist letter from Nintendo.

3) Retro Game Collecting of the Future

missingNo's Avatar Glanks

would be interesting to also know their take on what modern titles will be historically relevant in 20 years.

What does a top 10 list of games look like in 20, 30 years? Will people be clamouring for a cartridge copy of breath of the wild?

Which is an amazing question that looks into the future of gaming. What will retro game top-tens look like in 20 years? Will we all be writing op-eds about how

Video games?! Video games?! Pah! I was there at the start. There were 256 colours, 8 bits, and two buttons on your controller. And that was all you needed

- Crotchety old Jay
A meme showing a retiree with a walker and the caption "I saved princesses and levelled planets, back in my day. And with two buttons on my controller." Her granddaughter is helping her to walk and saying "Sure grandma. Let’s get you back indoors."
This may or may not be what will happen to Jay in a few years
Squidge's Avatar Squidge

I can resonate with this because I’m a bit of a retro collector myself. I like to collect stuff from my childhood that I remember playing… hook it up to my TV, play it, and have the memories flooding back.

4) Sequels and Weird IP

missingNo's Avatar MadVikingGod

The NES had a weird streak of taking an a completely different game and slapping nintendo IP on it and calling it a sequel - what are your thoughts on this?

Which started a conversation about the best and worst sequels that video games have ever had - including Double Dragon, Super Mario Bros., Nintendo being incredibly progressive and Capcom being accidentally progressive as a way to get around the Nintendo seal of approval.

5) What About PC?

missingNo's Avatar Tyren

I’d love to learn their thoughts on PC gaming history, too. A lot of coverage seems to be centred around consoles (WoW being the exception). Like, what genres of games have PC gaming to thank (MMOs being the top of the list, I’d say)?

Interestingly, Steven was originally planning to write two separate books:

  • One on the history of video game consoles
  • One on the history of PC video games

But the biggest barrier was that PC gaming history is so sprawling; and, quite frankly, the history of video game consoles is much more interesting.

6) The Question of Difficulty

Squidge's Avatar Squidge

Do you think the older games are harder, or is it that the newer games are easier?

And Steven came out of left-field with his answer, but is completely and utterly right with what he says. And no, his point wasn’t just about the fact that arcade games were designed to be played for 5-10 seconds at a time.

steven-l-kent's Avatar Steven L Kent

When Defender came out, people said, "this is impossible! There are four buttons!"

Our Zoom-Platform Game Suggestions

We’d love to suggest some of our favourite titles that are available on Zoom Platform

seeing as how they helped with putting this episode together

as such, here are some of our favourites:

SquidgeJay
Hogs of warRace Driver: GRID
Street Racing SyndicateCannon Fodder 2
Oddworld: Abe’s OddyseeJudge Dredd: Dredd vs Death

External Links of Interest

  • Support us on Ko-Fi
  • Our Facebook page
  • Us on Twitter
  • Steven on Penguin Random House
    • The Ultimate History of Video Games volume 1
    • The Ultimate History of Video Games volume 2
  • Zoom Platform
  • Masters of Doom
  • Our suggested titles from Zoom Platform’s catalogue:
    • Squidge:
      • Hogs of war
      • Street Racing Syndicate
      • Oddworld: Abe’s Oddysee
    • Jay:
      • Race Driver: GRID
      • Cannon Fodder 2
      • Judge Dredd: Dredd vs Death
  • Our conversations with Steven:
    • Part One
    • Part Two
    • Part Three
    • All parts

Music

Links to the music used in the podcast can be found below. Definitely check them out, because they're amazing tracks by awesome musicians.

  • Intro music is Among The Stars, from the Cosmos Music Pack by Muz Station Productions
  • Spoiler Break music is Spectrum (Subdiffusion Mix) by Foniqz (BandCamp)
  • Pallet Cleanser music is Breath Deep Breath Clear (Wu Chi) by Siobhan Dakay
  • Outro Music is I N e e d Y o u 私の側て by G.H (removed from BandCamp)
All copyrighted material contained within this podcast is the property of their respective rights owners. Please see the above list for copyright details pertaining to music used.

Games Covered

We mentioned 46 games in this podcast. In the following order, those games where:
  • Donkey Kong Country
  • Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
  • Maximo: Ghosts to Glory
  • Guitar Hero
  • Metroid (series)
  • Super Mario Bros.
  • Metroid Prime
  • Metroid Fusion
  • Doom
  • Super Mario Bros. 3
  • Comanche (series)
  • The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
  • The Legend of Zelda (series)
  • Ghost of Tsushima
  • The Witcher 3
  • Flappy Bird
  • Qui: Tomb of the Middle Kingdom
  • Myst
  • Monkey Island (series)
  • Super Mario Bros. 2
  • Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
  • Doki Doki Panic
  • Double Dragon II: The Revenge
  • Super Mario Sunshine
  • Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels
  • Final Fight
  • World of Warcraft
  • Castle Wolfenstein
  • Night Driver
  • Red Baron
  • Battle Tanks
  • Battlezone
  • Madden NFL (series)
  • Command & Conquer
  • Rampart
  • Command & Conquer: Red Alert
  • Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun
  • Pac-Man
  • Ms. Pac-Man
  • Defender
  • Robotron: 2084
  • Call of Duty (series)
  • Star Craft II
  • Star Wars (1983)
  • The House of the Dead
  • Space Invaders

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